Re: [Sheflug] Re: Well impressed!

[José Luis Gómez Dans <nospam [at] sheffield.ac.uk>]

On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:59:01AM +0000, Richard wrote:
> I've been chatting on the phone to Miguel de Icaza for a few weeks
> now.  He's the Chairman and CTO of Helixcode.  The people who do this
> stuff.

	Well, I think that a lot of the credit should go to the people
who did actually code the first versions of GTK for the GIMP (Mattis and
Kimball + many others). Having said that, helix-gnome or whatever it's
called was quite nice as a desktop, I must say :)

> He's working on all sorts of things that are absolutely amazing.  For
> example the Star Office suite is being re-written and will be
> available as Open Office eventually. The Bonobo components and other

	Open Office has already been relesed a couple of weeks ago, and
you could download it off the openoffice.org site.

> things will allow greater choice at installation time thus making the
> installation smaller for those who want it that way.   The present So
> 5.2 release does allow this to happen but greater flexibility is
> thought to be desirable.  So, all those critics out there can just go

	Presumably, the fact that using bonobo you can embed any object
in any bonobo aware program (so that you could have wordprocessors with
spreadshhets on them, as SO and MS Office do, but that being generalized
to all GNOME/KDE apps. I'm sure Stephen Turnbull agrees with me that
?emacs has been doing that for quite a while, but... :D). In fact, I'd
like to see whether bonobo for KDE will go ahead. That'd be cool.

> and suck eggs when it happens.

	I don't like office suites in general, as a matter of principle.
IMHO, they offer little gains and a waste of time. Of course, WP 5.1 was
a cut above the rest, I'll have to check prices for the Linux console
version :-))

> If you get the Wrox GTK+ book then it all becomes easy to understand
> very quickly.  Have a look at our Wrox book review page if you want to
> know more.

	Are we talking about the Harlow book? It's quite nice actually.
In fact, it is a shame it doesn't cover glade or any of the other GUI
builders. However, all of them are quite new, and couldn't possibly be
covered in a book until the matured a bit more. Having said that, the
incredibly annoying fact about glade is its absolute lack of
documentation, tutorials and what have you. OK, not much is needed, but
at least a tutorial...

	And of course, the lack of a decent fortran interface to GTK+
makes you have a hard time by using less advanced programming languages,
such as C :-)))

	Regards,
	José

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José L Gómez Dans			PhD student
					Radar & Communications Group
					Department of Electronic Engineering
					University of Sheffield UK
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